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Traveller-digest     Friday, December 31 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1610<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
Re: DreamWorks gets a keyboard kill<BR>
FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
Total Con Traveller Game<BR>
Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
Ageing in MT<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
art & attraction<BR>
Re: Goverment Overkill<BR>
Re: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
Character Generation Program for Palm Pilot?<BR>
Re: Total Con Traveller Game<BR>
Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
Re: Re A/UX<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1608<BR>
Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
Re: Colt<BR>
Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1609<BR>
SEC: UNCLASS - Farscape<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:31:22 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
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Yes, please. I didn't spend four years at Sinister Medical School to<BR>
be called mister ...<BR>
<BR>
At 10:33 pm 12/30/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>You are an EVIL MAN.  Shall I call you "Dr. Sinister"?  :)<BR>
>___________________________________________________________<BR>
> J-Man<BR>
> ICQ# 2843475<BR>
> New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
> Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
> Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
>___________________________________________________________<BR>
><BR>
>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
>From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
>To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 9:51 PM<BR>
>Subject: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>> Two comments--funny movie, and does anybody else see the potential<BR>
>> for a "silly" Traveller adventure that I see?<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Picture a dozen or so TML'ers, picked up by aliens who've been<BR>
>> monitoring the discussions on near-C rocks, pirates, fleet<BR>
tactics,<BR>
>> et al., and think we're actually as smart as *we* think we are ...<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:46:38 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: DreamWorks gets a keyboard kill<BR>
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On 12/30/1999 22:24, Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
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> I'm still giggling about it.  It was fantastic.  It was cast<BR>
> nearly perfectly.  You will never look at Star Trek the same way<BR>
> again.  Go see it - go directly to see it, do not pass GO, do not<BR>
> collect $200.<BR>
> <BR>
> I refer, of course, to this year's Christmas offering from<BR>
> DreamWorks, 'Galaxy Quest'.<BR>
> <BR>
> I was in the theatre watching it, so I didn't have a keyboard to<BR>
> kill - but trust me, when it comes out on DVD, and people start<BR>
> playing it on their computers, there _will_ be a need for new<BR>
> keyboards.  If I tell you _why_ I feel this way, it would give<BR>
> away too much.  GO SEE IT!<BR>
One thing's for sure...No incarnation of the Enterprise had that "death<BR>
trap" like the Protector did. Unless of course you count the Jeffries Tubes.<BR>
Nevertheless, an interestign design for a starship.<BR>
<BR>
One other pun in this movie you may or may not be aware of. I think I either<BR>
saw it on a promo poster OR on their web site...but there is a mention of<BR>
one other NSEA starship....the "Trojan."<BR>
<BR>
NEVER GIVE UP...NEVER SURRENDER!<BR>
> <BR>
> WHAT ARE YOU SITTING THERE READING THIS DAMN MAILING LIST FOR?<BR>
> GO SEE THE MOVIE!<BR>
I did done saw it....:) :)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net)<BR>
Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA<BR>
http://home.earthlink.net/~macmanjws<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:47:01 -0500<BR>
From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
Subject: FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
<BR>
Something vaguely on-topic from a friend:<BR>
<BR>
Your tax dollars at work.<BR>
____________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S. <BR>
National Aeronautics and Space Administration decided it <BR>
needed a ball point pen to write in the zero gravity confines <BR>
of its space capsules. <BR>
<BR>
After considerable research and development, the Astronaut <BR>
Pen was developed at a cost of $1 million. <BR>
<BR>
The pen worked and also enjoyed some modest success as a <BR>
novelty item back here on Earth. <BR>
<BR>
The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem of writing in <BR>
zero gravity, used a pencil. <BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:57:53 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
<BR>
"Swordy (Colin Michael)" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Oh, I take it you weren't here in '98 when the -fnord **** not cleared****<BR>
> fnord- and all we got for souvenirs were a t-shirt and a fountain pen?<BR>
<BR>
You got a t-shirt?!?  _I_ got a rock. :-P<BR>
<BR>
"But everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around...."<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:55:58 -0500<BR>
From: Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
Subject: Total Con Traveller Game<BR>
<BR>
I just got my TotalCon (Late Feb, Andover MA).  There is a Traveller <BR>
adventure mentioned.<BR>
I'll have to read up on the time slots and send in my entry form soon.<BR>
<BR>
Any other TMLers going?<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:58:04 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
<BR>
On 12/30/1999 22:57, Black ICE wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> You got a t-shirt?!?  _I_ got a rock. :-P<BR>
> <BR>
> "But everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around...."<BR>
<BR>
Good to know somebody out there also likes They Might Be Giants! :) :)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:59:18 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Ageing in MT<BR>
<BR>
    I (now) know that Gurps-T defers aging, does TNE? For MegaTraveller I've<BR>
allowed PCs to defer aging for one term for every TL past 9, so at TL 14 you<BR>
make your first roll at term-10 or 54 years old. Does this seem unwieldy for<BR>
the campaign to you? I also allow career changes but for every term past 4<BR>
(+1 per TL>9) it adds 1 to the enlistment difficulty.<BR>
    Jim<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:56:54 -0500<BR>
From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
<BR>
Thomas Vickers wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>>><BR>
>Nah, Sable is a mercenary.<BR>
><BR>
>(Mike Grell's comic series from the eighties)<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
And here I was thinking I was the only person to own a complete John Sable,<BR>
Freelance set of Comics. There must be two of us in the world :)<BR>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>
Three. I keep 'em in a box with my copies of _Grimjack_ and <BR>
_American Flagg_.  :-)<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:17:27 -0500<BR>
From: Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
Subject: art & attraction<BR>
<BR>
Kenji types out by the light of a full spectrum bulb:<BR>
 >On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Mark Urbin wrote:<BR>
 >> Kenji puts forth on the Ether:<BR>
 >>  >I will wait breathlessly for the first Traveller art to depict the<BR>
 >>  >Intrepid Adventurers with potbellies and cellulite.<BR>
 >> My copy of "The Traveller Book" has an illustration of the sample <BR>
character<BR>
 >> Merchant Captain Alexander Jamison.<BR>
 >> The face is drawn rather heavyset.  Full cheeks, thick neck and the top<BR>
 >> part of a large torso.<BR>
 >Okay, okay, I remember that.  I stand corrected.  So that's one out of<BR>
 >what, a couple hundred PC-stand-ins in the course of OTU publishing?<BR>
<BR>
You are correct.  A handful out of the entire lot.<BR>
Someone probably hit the nail on the head when they said the most of the <BR>
artists were men who didn't get out much.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:16:55 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Goverment Overkill<BR>
<BR>
From: Walter G. Smith <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Something vaguely on-topic from a friend:<BR>
><BR>
> Your tax dollars at work.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S.<BR>
> National Aeronautics and Space Administration decided it<BR>
> needed a ball point pen to write in the zero gravity confines<BR>
> of its space capsules.<BR>
><BR>
> After considerable research and development, the Astronaut<BR>
> Pen was developed at a cost of $1 million.<BR>
><BR>
> The pen worked and also enjoyed some modest success as a<BR>
> novelty item back here on Earth.<BR>
><BR>
> The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem of writing in<BR>
> zero gravity, used a pencil.<BR>
<BR>
Personally, I'd be interested to see something about the sheer *propaganda<BR>
value* of the Astronaut Pen. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to measure<BR>
the effects of kids across the country opening up issues of Superboy,<BR>
Spider-Man and The House of Mystery and seeing the Astronaut Pen proudly<BR>
advertised, or the effects of wives across the country ordering it from<BR>
Lillian Vernon, Inc. as stocking stuffers for their husbands.<BR>
<BR>
One million dollars for a way to bring an artifact of the space race home to<BR>
the people of America? That's awfully cheap.<BR>
<BR>
Besides, the Soviet space program's cleaning bill was well over a million<BR>
dollars. After all, it's awfully *messy* to clean out a pencil sharpener in<BR>
zero-g! :)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:21:10 -0500<BR>
From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
<BR>
Jim & Peta Lawrie wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>>><BR>
    I've always liked the Hyenas, mean critters. They out mass every other<BR>
predator in Africa apart from a male lion and are quite capable of taking<BR>
out lions if required. An interesting Traveller species:<BR>
(Hyenati Corsair Pilot) "Captain, a big fat trader is on the screen."<BR>
(Hyenati Corsair Captain) "*Yawn* Wait until the Vargr attack it and then<BR>
we'll pick up the scrap. I'm off for a nap. If the Vargr attack Us, wake me<BR>
and we'll hit 'em with the spinal mount."<BR>
>>>>>>>>><BR>
Just as frequently:<BR>
(Hyenati Corsair Pilot): "Captain, are we going to let those blasted <BR>
Ihatei raiders take our prize away from us? We fought hard to capture<BR>
that trade convoy!!"<BR>
(Hyenati Corsair Captain): *Whap* *Whack* *Slash* "Quiet you whiney<BR>
toad! Keep alert for an opening!! We'll get ours, as soon as they make<BR>
a mistake..."<BR>
<BR>
(Hyenas are strong, fast, and work in packs.. Male lions are really, really <BR>
good at driving hyenas away from kills. Those wildlife films we see of a <BR>
pride of lions lounging around a kill, with hyenas slinking around the<BR>
edges? Often enough, the hyenas were there first.)<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:23:54 -0500<BR>
From: Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
Subject: Character Generation Program for Palm Pilot?<BR>
<BR>
Details on any such animal should be posted to the list.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:36:21 -0500<BR>
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Total Con Traveller Game<BR>
<BR>
Whoa, I could almost make it to that.  Hmm.  I could tell the wife that it<BR>
is her birthday present to me.  Maybe!<BR>
<BR>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<BR>
Colin Michael, WebDev<BR>
www.downport.com<BR>
The Traveller Domain<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Mark Urbin" <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
> I just got my TotalCon (Late Feb, Andover MA).  There is a Traveller<BR>
> adventure mentioned.<BR>
> I'll have to read up on the time slots and send in my entry form soon.<BR>
><BR>
> Any other TMLers going?<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:35:11 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
A few more waysd to keep your players on their toes:<BR>
<BR>
Given the history of the Imperium, there are going to be laws that are<BR>
multiple *thousands* of years old, that have never been explicitly<BR>
repealed, but aren't enforced anymore either. If you are *careful* you<BR>
can take advantage of this. But it could backfire.<BR>
<BR>
A couple of real world examples:<BR>
<BR>
Back in Victorian times, a man who was likely going to lose a civil<BR>
suit noted that trial by combat was technically still legal. So he sent<BR>
proper notification to the court and the other party in the suit. <BR>
<BR>
He showed up, in armor, at the appointed place and time and<BR>
(apparently) so did an officer of the court. Since the other party had<BR>
declined the challenge, he won the case!<BR>
<BR>
Parliment eliminated this "loophole" next session. <BR>
<BR>
More recently (in the last 5-10 years) a student at Oxford noted that<BR>
the rules of the College required the College to provide "ale and<BR>
cakes" for the "young gentlemen" sitting examinations. So, next exam<BR>
time, he requested the "ale and cakes" pointing to the regulation.<BR>
After a bit of discussing, it was decided that some burgers and a pint<BR>
(or some such) were an acceptable modern equivalent. And they presented<BR>
them to him, and he happily muched and sipped his way thru his exams. <BR>
<BR>
Alas, after completing them, he was presented with notice that he was<BR>
being fines 25 pounds for failing to wear his sword to the exams (also<BR>
in the old regulations). :-)<BR>
<BR>
The moral is that when invoking old rules, be prepared to have other<BR>
old ones invoked against you.<BR>
<BR>
Feel free to chose some current laws that might still be on the books<BR>
in 1100 Imp. <BR>
<BR>
Another thought is that back when planets were first contacted and<BR>
brought into the Imperium, some of the (then) low TL worlds may have<BR>
had some *very* odd legal systems. Ones that may have become "frozen"<BR>
when they joined. <BR>
<BR>
This leads to things like players having a legal dispute on such a<BR>
world and being asked if they intend to fight themselves or hire a<BR>
"Gladiator at Law". <BR>
<BR>
Yep, a world where trial by combat is still the rule, but where it's<BR>
also been "modernized". <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
"You have the right to trail by ordeal. If you decline ordeal, you are<BR>
 subject to trial by combat. If you are not fit to fight and cannot<BR>
 afford a champion, one will be appointed for you..."<BR>
<BR>
If any of you use that bit in a "miranda Warning", I want to hear<BR>
about the player's reaction!<BR>
<BR>
Heck, anybody got a copy of the *real* Miranda warning? Let's see what<BR>
we can do with it!<BR>
<BR>
Check your history books for other methods of of rendering judgement. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:04:30 -0600<BR>
From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re A/UX<BR>
<BR>
Oh, foo, there will _always_ be media issues. Gonna make my age obvious<BR>
here... Is there anyone else who can remember getting their RK11 packs from<BR>
Ken and Ritchie - Heh - I can't, but my immediate teachers did...<BR>
<BR>
For those of you who miss the implications of this post, well, just ask<BR>
Linus the next time you see him. He _knows_ how lucky he was...<BR>
<BR>
Time to bail before I _really_ make a fool of myself...<BR>
<BR>
on 30/12/1999 5:23 PM, Traveller-digest at<BR>
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:31:38 PST<BR>
> From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
> Subject: Re: Re A/UX<BR>
> <BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
> <BR>
>> Ob Trav: I don't bother with computer issues much IMTU, as I assume the<BR>
>> Imperial Virtual Machine, which is required for all starship computers to<BR>
>> use. Since it is standardized, and hardware emulated, it doesn't slow<BR>
>> things down TOO much. And it guarantees that you can buy SW on any planet<BR>
>> of sufficient TL. Getting it into the right media to be loaded, however,<BR>
>> may be tricky!<BR>
> <BR>
> What "media"? You have a portable "storage box" that transfers data via<BR>
> any of several standard Imperial data interfaces (SCSI, 10-base-100,<BR>
> etc). You connect it up to the system at the point of sale, they<BR>
> transfer your software to your box. They you return to your<BR>
> business/ship and connect the box to the system and upload the<BR>
> software. <BR>
> <BR>
> Actually, I'd bet that the software is available on the local net. The<BR>
> "dongle" that lets it know you are an authorized user is what you get<BR>
> when you fork over the cash. Unlike now, there will be a dedicated set<BR>
> of ports for the "dongles". You just stick it into an empty slot.<BR>
> <BR>
> - -- <BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
> shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
> <BR>
> ------------------------------<BR>
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Live without fear; your Creator loves you     | William Barnett-Lewis<BR>
as a mother. Go in peace to follow the good   | mailto://wlewis@mailbag.com<BR>
road and may God's blessing be with           |<BR>
you always.                                   |<BR>
St. Claire                                    |<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:08:05 -0600<BR>
From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1608<BR>
<BR>
on 30/12/1999 5:23 PM, Traveller-digest at<BR>
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Actually, going by *farm* life, kids as young as 8 will be operating<BR>
> the simpler equipment. They may have "chores" that involve doing the<BR>
> simpler tasks in the control room or enegineering. And they'll know<BR>
> *quite* well what they are and aren't allowed to<BR>
<BR>
Eight????<BR>
<BR>
Wish I'd lived on that farm.<BR>
<BR>
Try, (Yes, this is my experience only. So?)<BR>
5 years when dealing with corn...<BR>
<BR>
I have memories I can't place that may well be younger.<BR>
<BR>
W.<BR>
- -- <BR>
Live without fear; your Creator loves you     | William Barnett-Lewis<BR>
as a mother. Go in peace to follow the good   | mailto://wlewis@mailbag.com<BR>
road and may God's blessing be with           |<BR>
you always.                                   |<BR>
St. Claire                                    |<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:03:55 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> More recently (in the last 5-10 years) a student at Oxford noted that<BR>
<BR>
That one has been circulating since the 1950s when it appeared in Reader's<BR>
Digest. It's a fine college legend, but alas it's not true.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:14:05 -0600<BR>
From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Colt<BR>
<BR>
I really almost hat saying this, but lets face it, Colt is a "Megacorp". As<BR>
such they _can't_ care about us. Survival,  by any means. counts instead. I<BR>
am a liberal who is in favor of Gun Control Laws and - I still own 2 hand<BR>
guns and plan to buy more. This contradiction is, I believe, at the heart of<BR>
America's insanity on this issue.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
on 30/12/1999 5:23 PM, Traveller-digest at<BR>
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:16:20 -0600<BR>
> From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
> Subject: Re: OT Gunbunny notice<BR>
> <BR>
>> FWIW I'm sure some of you (Jesse?) will be pleased to know that<BR>
>> BAEsystems has signed a letter of agreement with Colt Manufacturing<BR>
>> to sell them H&K.<BR>
> <BR>
> ------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
WTF - Your mileage _will_ vary. So?<BR>
<BR>
W.<BR>
- -- <BR>
Live without fear; your Creator loves you     | William Barnett-Lewis<BR>
as a mother. Go in peace to follow the good   | mailto://wlewis@mailbag.com<BR>
road and may God's blessing be with           |<BR>
you always.                                   |<BR>
St. Claire                                    |<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:56:55 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Continuous tone images (ie: photographs) should be jpegs. Line art<BR>
> should be gif. In fact, for something like a deckplan it will just<BR>
> about always look better in GIF unless you use minimum compression<BR>
> on your jpeg.<BR>
><BR>
> 3d rendered images can go both ways depending on how complext they<BR>
> are (as they get more photo-real, they need jpeging). There are a<BR>
> few sites online that will also optimize your gifs for you to minimize<BR>
> file size--they are really cool:<BR>
<BR>
Actually, best of all would require special hardware. <BR>
<BR>
I *really* miss my old Tektronics graphics terminal. *Vector* graphics.<BR>
*No* pixels. 1024x1024 "addressing". And it was just one of the crude<BR>
4010 equivalent units. Not one of the high end jobs that could rotate<BR>
the images in realtime.<BR>
<BR>
Battlestar Galactica used a *ton* of Tek graphics gear. Which made tek<BR>
*really* POed when the stuff vanished from the sets at the end of the<BR>
series.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:18:22 -0600<BR>
From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1609<BR>
<BR>
Perfect. This is beyond a keyboard kill - It's just too right. Too true. The<BR>
rest is utterly irrelevant.<BR>
<BR>
on 30/12/1999 9:25 PM, Traveller-digest at<BR>
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> "I wanted a mission, and for my sins they gave me one. Brought it up to me<BR>
> like room service. It was a real choice mission, and when it was over, I'd<BR>
> never want another."<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> - --------------<BR>
> Kelly St.Clair   "The Jigglypuff's trilling seems to have a<BR>
> kellys@efn.org    tranquilizing effect on the human nervous system.<BR>
> Fortunately, I am... immune..."<BR>
> -- Mr. Spock, THE TROUBLE WITH POKEMON<BR>
<BR>
Bowing in pure admiration,<BR>
<BR>
William<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Live without fear; your Creator loves you     | William Barnett-Lewis<BR>
as a mother. Go in peace to follow the good   | mailto://wlewis@mailbag.com<BR>
road and may God's blessing be with           |<BR>
you always.                                   |<BR>
St. Claire                                    |<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:51:03 +1100<BR>
From: "David Healey" <David.Healey@dcb.defence.gov.au><BR>
Subject: SEC: UNCLASS - Farscape<BR>
<BR>
Gentlesophonts,<BR>
<BR>
A coupla weeks ago, someone was asking about Farscape, but not having seen the series before, I ignored those posts.  I just saw an ad for it to start here next year (Channel 9 for the Australians on the list).  What opinions of this series are out there ?  At first glance it looks like a cross between Stargate and B5.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
David Healey<BR>
DCB-M  MVS Operations<BR>
<BR>
600 Years ago, they KNEW the world was flat<BR>
60 Years ago, they KNEW you couldn't go faster than sound<BR>
6 Minutes ago, you KNEW your code was indestructable ......<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:23:49 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
<BR>
> And here I was thinking I was the only person to own a complete John<BR>
Sable,<BR>
> Freelance set of Comics. There must be two of us in the world :)<BR>
> >>>>>>>>>><BR>
> Three. I keep 'em in a box with my copies of _Grimjack_ and<BR>
> _American Flagg_.  :-)<BR>
<BR>
So, anyone used Flagg in a Traveller game ?<BR>
<BR>
I always liked the somnambutol rounds<BR>
<BR>
Pa - Pa     ooooooooooooooooo  Mow Mow!<BR>
<BR>
Grimjack, of course, is a classic Shadowrun character.<BR>
<BR>
BTW, I picked up several Flagg #1 and Sable #1 from our local comic shop<BR>
sale at about 50c each if anyone wants one, don't know why they had so many.<BR>
<BR>
Got a few other as well if anyone's missing any.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:44:43 -0500<BR>
From: "Craig Lytton" <polecat@ezwv.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
> If any of you use that bit in a "miranda Warning", I want to hear<BR>
> about the player's reaction!<BR>
><BR>
> Heck, anybody got a copy of the *real* Miranda warning? Let's see what<BR>
> we can do with it!<BR>
><BR>
> Check your history books for other methods of of rendering judgement.<BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Really, the question is what level of coercion is sanctioned by law when<BR>
interrogating a suspect...<BR>
<BR>
The issue is whether the information is admissable in court, and the Miranda<BR>
warning is given to CYA before questioning a suspect.  Giving the warning<BR>
helps  prove that the confession/admission wasn't coerced from an<BR>
individual.  I think the specific warnings vary in wording from one<BR>
department to another slighty.<BR>
<BR>
I don't have a copy of an actual Miranda Warning handy right now, but here<BR>
is some information from "Criminal Procedure for the Criminal Justice<BR>
Professional":<BR>
<BR>
- -------<BR>
- -Coercive police activity is necessary for an admission or confession to be<BR>
found involuntary.<BR>
- -Satisfaction of Miranda requirements is a relative consideration in<BR>
determining the voluntariness of an admission or confession, but it is not<BR>
conclusive.<BR>
- -Only voluntary admissions or confessions that are obtained in compliance<BR>
with Miranda requirements will be admissable in court.<BR>
- -------<BR>
This is under US law.<BR>
<BR>
Generally, the Miranda warnings are required when interrogating a subject in<BR>
custody.  Admissions to private citizens and some other circumstances<BR>
(public safety,undercover agents, a voluntary statement made before the<BR>
officer has a chance to give the warning, ect) aren't restricted.<BR>
<BR>
Basically, the warning is that you have the right to get a lawyer, you have<BR>
the right to keep your mouth shut for your own good until you get a lawyer,<BR>
and that anything you say can be used against you in court.  There are some<BR>
other parts too, but I can't remember them all.<BR>
<BR>
I'm not sure how the Imperium would apply this concept, I think their goals<BR>
are to keep an Intersteller economy running as smoothly as possible, keep<BR>
lines of communication open, and provide defense for the subject worlds.  I<BR>
have a DGP Traveller Digest with an article on Imperial Law that I can look<BR>
at and send more info later.  Offhand, I think that the Imperium would be a<BR>
little more liberal in what sorts of confessions (methods used to obtain<BR>
them that is) would be admissable in court.<BR>
<BR>
As far as the individual worlds who knows???<BR>
<BR>
I am not a lawyer, so if any of this is inaccurate, I apologize.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Craig<BR>
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